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You do realize that the FortNine video was released on April 1st, 2024, which is also sometimes called "April Fool's Day"?

Walked away from a 60mph low side, because I was wearing armor... Went through a swarm of bees at 75mph once and it was like hitting fluing gravel. and survived because I was wearing my helmet... To say other wise I would look at you as if you were a retard.. ARMOR UP....

In all my spills, not once have I ever thought: "Well, guess I didn't need that protection" Sure, the dude has some compelling arguments, but it all seemed to come down to "Discomfort"... To quote Dave Chapelle: "That's a brittle-spirit" - Riding isn't comfortable. We suffer, to rejoice. Cold, wind, rain - Ain't got shit on learning this skill, smelling that wild-garlic, the petrichor, dodging the traffic and being this much closer to life. His video really made me question the rest of his videos and conclude that he probably needs just a lil' more time to cook.

What he is saying, said is that putting Nerf toy foam in jackets and pants are a waste of time.. it's the current day motorcycle equivalent of 1980s fashion shoulder pads that were sewn into things for fashion..if you look at price points from @$300 bucks and cheaper.. the foam padding included is almost always useless. For people that ride in extreme weather.. better to remove foam and go to the gas station - convenience store and fill cavities w ice!! Keep you as safe and way cooler

5'10" Short. Guy that s one inch above average.

I believe in armour. Yes, I'm sure that it could be better, but it is better than nothing. A couple of years ago I fell while riding my Himalayan. I landed on a rock on my back and even though I had armour in that spot, I broke two ribs. For two months I had to sleep in a chair. I'm 70 years old now and I realize that my skills are not what they once were, and I don't heal the way I once did. I wear the full kit, all the time. On a recent ride I did 200 km on gravel and even though it was hot and dusty, it never crossed my mind to take my jacket off.

The worst part of this discourse is, everyone, you included miss the nuance of the argument RF9 made. What he said was, the armor, at the speeds we are going in traffic will not prevent you from breaking bones. They help with slides and might stop a bruise but they aren’t as good as the should be. Buy an airbag, wear a higher rated back protector. So instead of arguing at a straw man, speak to his actual points.

Have always admired Ryan at FortNine for his creative talent. The video you refer to is the one that made me stop watching him as often. Not a hater, just decided he is more entertainer than informer. Some thoughts: the term "armor" is a misnomer since it is really just "padding". Ryan throws around statistics about impacts and the results. Sounds real scientific until you turn your brain on and realize an impact with a car, a tree, or a concrete wall is not what these lightweight inserts are designed to protect us from. It is a level of protection, not a guarantee we won't dislocate a shoulder or go splat against the side of a garbage truck. I'm an ATGATT guy that knows I'm reducing risk, not eliminating it.

I generally like Ryan's videos but that was one I definitely disagreed with. You're echoing my sentiments.

The entire f9 argument is dumb. It hinges on data which suggests bone fracture at the speed of a motorcycle crash won't be prevented with armor. Even if that were true, you can get seriously hurt from impacts without breaking any bones.. I've had an injury to my knee from a highside in gravel. Still over a year later my knee is not the same. Some of that damage maybe could have been prevented had I been wearing armor, despite the fact that no bones were broken...

Riding a motorcycle is inherently dangerous. Nothing…repeat nothing…can make it ‘safe’. There is no such thing as safe. That said, I like to stack the odds in my favor these days.

Fortnine is a goof east coast meaning. And he’s just a shill! I stopped watching him a long time ago.

F9 released the video on April 1st. 🤦🏼‍♂🧐

Dress for the slide not for the ride as they say. Helmet gloves boots elbow knee & hip pads help a lot with lower speed road crashes. Helmet & Kevlar or leather with higher speed crash/slides. Which both are far & away the majority. Nothing is going to matter much on a higher speed blunt trauma crash.

I hate wearing all my safety gear, but I feel an obligation to my family to stay as safe as possible. I ride a KTM 890 mostly off road. Currently I wear Fox MX boots, Mobius knee braces, Fox body armor, good gloves, and finally a Helite Turtle airbag. I have deployed the airbag 2 times and both times were low speed drops on big slab rocks. I am 100% positive that something would have been broken. About 2 weeks after the crash my unprotected hip hurt as if it were broken - actually did have a small piece of padding on it. I was in excruciating pain for several days. The pain traveled from my hip to my lower back then up into my opposite shoulder blade then "out" through that shoulder. It was was a line of trauma from impact across my body in the direction of the hit. I couldn't walk without crutches for 2 days and considered an x-ray. The reason I didn't get one is because the pain traveled. 100% recommend the Helite Turtle. Expensive to get into, but SUPER easy to recharge, and it has an incredibly well designed back - hence the name Turtle. It is a mechanically deployed bag with a tether and I have over 5000 miles riding with it. No issues with anything. IF you go down it will deploy. IF you don't want it to deploy you simple remove the tether. I take off the back protection of the FOX upper armor because it is not needed. The collar is like a neck brace when deployed and stabilizes your helmet-head- it is aggressive when it deploys. The coverage area of the Helite extends down onto the upper pelvis and when it deploys it deploys. You are wrapped in an indestructible airbag. It is freaking amazing. If I could promote Helite any more I would.

Stopped watching F9 because the BS he has been putting out the last couple years. Everything we do is wrong, gear,how we turn, how we stop, Tires. Click bait nonsense channel now.

I commute year round in NJ. No exceptions. F9 makes a lot of errors. My R3 padding saved me from serious injury. I was rear ended by an out of control car in a blind curving on ramp while moving. I walked away without a bruise. That bike was totaled. I didn't have many options between taking the hit and kissing a semi.

I just cringe when I see anyone riding in shorts and a t shirt. Don't often wear protective pants unless it is a dedicated " ride" but ALWAYS a armored jacket (mesh in summmer), boots and gloves and of course a helmet. Had enough " road rash" in my youth to still remember how it feels.

F9 is considered a God to too many riders.

My accident was hi speed.

I'd rather have it and not need it, than need it and not have it. OUCH

Ryan's comments were deliberate monetised iconoclasm

I came to motorcycles after thirty plus years of mountain biking and road cycling and adopted a simple philosophy on protection: it’s better to look like an idiot, than end up one. I’d rather put up with some minor discomfort than not be able to do what I want to because of a minor “crash”.

Ryan from F9 is a dork imho. That is not the only video that he has put out that was full of BS.

ADV riders tend to wear more protective gear then most other riders. Just an observation of my own.

I used to be ccs and formula USA licensed. Many crashes. Always wear your gear!!

there’s a chance you misunderstood that video. I think the point was that both standards and execution of the protection pads are insufficient, which makes them useless. Not that well executed high-standards protection is useless per se…

I had a low speed low-sider on my 1995 BMW R100R Mystic which has a stunningly powerful front brake. So stunningly powerful that on a perfectly dry road, on a mild day, with no gravel a car ahead signalled to turn then didn’t I locked the front wheel. Most of the impact was my right hip and ribs. I was going pretty slowly but over the next few days the pain and bruising made themselves known. My point? I was checking my latest carb balancing so no proper protection. My hip would have been fine because the protector is exactly when I landed. Must haves at all times are boots and gloves which I did, but regretted my failure because it’s “just a 5 minute ride”.

@5:16 owning and working on motorcycles is the sole reason why I bought a complete set of torque wrenches. The machines have a way of critiquing (sometimes spectacularly) those who try to cut corners with their maintenance.

I totally agree! I watched the fortnine vid and thought WTF! I crash a lot at slow speed and for sure my armor has helped.

Most of my injuries occurred on my lower limbs so, I upgraded that part of the gear package. I've walked away from all of them, though not entirely without injury, even the last one that was 50+ mph. Potentially broken bones traded for a little bit of soft tissue injury any time.

You should go back and take a second look at what fortnine said. He was talking about protection from bone fractures not road rash.

Ryan's point was that manufacturers will always cheap out, and the armor standard is proof of that. Ryan wears airbags that contain more armor than the standard.

Acessories for the bike and for my body. I can never afford all the things I need. Then- I am 5'09'' 270#, if I do splurge to get something it still will not fit really right. I try to snag something here and there and add to my kit, when I can.

Making a video about wearing gear! That’s always a hot topic. Gets the views and comment section popping. Especially when you call out another creator. Especially when you have affiliate links it does kind of seems like click bait. Just sayin. Stay original my friend. This gear debate reminds me of Revzilla and their High side Low side “pod cast” where there is a safety gear lecture on every episode. I am pretty sure their bread and butter is “Gear”. Gear is important and we all know about the gear and where to buy it. You cannot blame people for being a little skeptical of the safety briefing on gear.

You'd sooner see me in a dress than one of those ridiculous, gaudy, overpriced riding outfits. I do wear protection but I'd like to think that I don't look like I'm in the throes of a particularly nasty midlife crisis.

First time I crashed was practicing emergency breaking in my msf course lol. Front wheel locked up and flipped the bike forward. Smashed my shoulder and elbow into the pavement. Only reason I didn't feel much was from the armour. My knee was sore because I didn't have armored pants at the time and it got banged up pretty good.

I always wear all my gear and I am going to get a vest airbag deal next . Don't care if it's too hot bulky or whatever .

I agree to a point.... but also disagree to another.... yes if you get on a bike and ride you SHOULD put on all your armor.... but some times that is just not practical ! like if I am getting ready for a long ride tomorrow and realise my gas tank is about 1/4 tank.... so getting all suited up just to go 2 miles to the gas station is not practical ! should I ? YES there is no doubt for one most accidents happen within 5 miles from home so there is one strike against your odds to start with.... If I do get hit by a car on this short trip to get gas and I don't have my riding gear on the chances are I WILL be Hurt alot more than if I had my gear on.... I KNOW that ! but the truth of the matter is I am too lazy to get all suited up for a 5 minute ride ! it's only 2 miles away and I'm a safe rider i can do it and have no problems and I know that too.....to be totally Anil about putting on all your gear makes no sense to me. yes you will bleed alot more with my frame of mind no doubt.... but when you use your motorcycle for ALL your moving from point A to Point B there comes a point to where it is too much trouble to bother with..... hop on the bike to go to the barn or to the neighbors house is a very low risk ride going to the gas station 2 miles away is a bit riskier but still low, you are contending with traffic doing that and traffic is the biggest danger to motorcyclists. even on dirt roads out in the bush ! risk evaluation and common sense needs to enter into it. some feel if you get on a motorcycle you must have all the best armor etc.etc. some only own a single out dated helmet.and only ware jeans and go bare chested ! in sandals.... these guys are slow learners but it is their choice....not someone elses ! speed has nothing to do with it for anything above running speed at 20mph you can be just as dead as 110 on the freeway. a motorcycle is Dangerous to be on and operate. if not because of you the operator but because of the world you are riding in. 45mph into a dear will ruin your day if not end your life..... you don't have to hit a car. my armor wareing is if I'm not testing the bike on my block then I have everything on including the boots. and I am no kid where I can suit up in 10 minutes ...takes me a good 15 minutes anymore just to go putt putt ! one major reason why I have not ridden any of my bikes so far this year....it's not worth the hassle of getting ready to ride.... so I don't ride ! because I will not ride for any length of time without all the armor.... because I too learned the hard way.

Good message to put out there buddy! Happy riding.

I agree. Ryan is full of it.

Roads are for connecting trails!!

gear is a personal choice , i am atgat but not gonna tell you what to do

Beautiful blue sky on this ride. I mainly ride off-road, so my "off's" are usually at relatively low speeds and non-events. Recently however, I took a nasty spill that I know I would have been painfully injured had I not had my protective gear. As it turned out, I was a little sore for a week.

You mention that even a thin motocross jersey would make a difference. I agree although wear more than that. Years ago, before my proper ring gear days, I went down on hard dirt with crushed rock on top wearing only a T-shirt on my top. Tumbled a couple times then slid to a stop. A sleeve of the T-shirt was rather shredded but my skin under that fabric was in much better shape than the skin just an inch away that had no fabric at all over it. I think it is good many/most of us are past the jeans and T-shirt days and were better gear.

Amen! Don't dress for the ride, dress for the slide!

I took mine out as soon as I got it.Its little or of no use.Helmit allways.

After seeing what happened to moto giant recently I decided to invest in a proper pair of boots. Went with alpine star tech 7 and I really like them even though99.999% of my riding is on pavement and they're closer to an mx boot. The one issue I have is shifting in them. Its been suggested that I get an extended gear lever, but I'm thinking I can use this as an excuse to buy a dual sport.

The Fortnine video was released on April Fools Day (tongue in cheek remarks). I think the point he was trying to make is that marketing sometimes exaggerates the amount of protection. Armor, at best, prevents against bruising and road rash. The new air vests are showing real promise because they spread out the impact force plus add rigidity to reduce the chance of broken bones.

Hardly experts in the field, ride what you want.